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    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Perhaps the EU doesn't sit well with certain countries as they still have their own barely healed wounds from previous political mergers, invasions and foreign rule. Is it not time for the EU to address these issues?

    Vast tracts of land in my country were violently seized by unlawful invading forces from neighboring countries and have still not been returned. Those invaders, until this day, retain their hold upon power. My people were persecuted, killed and uprooted from their lands by people who had no right to be there. I want to see all lands which were obtained other than by fair and equitable payment returned to the previous ethnic communities who inhabited them. I want to see the Normans, Saxons and Angles paying a fair price for England, or returning from whence they came.

    Is justice not part of the EU's mission? Then right this wrong.
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    vince,

    Send the dirty foreigner back where they came from? How is that BNP membership working out for you?
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    GaryLondon, I have no problem with any foreigner from any country. My problem is when they enter illegally, take what isn't theirs by violent means and then write their own laws which attempt to hide their crime.

    When those very same invaders went on to invade other countries and called it the British Empire, those countries were eventually permitted independence and the return of their lands and assets - why can't territories within what is now the British Isles go the same way?

    If Native Americans and Australian Aboriginal Groups can be compensated by the return of vast tracks of land, payment of ongoing compensation and direct targetted funding for local services then there is no reason why this can't happen in the EU.

    The British Authorities have never even considered such a proposal because it would be immensely costly to the descendants of these invaders and occupying forces. Now, let the EU, as a supranational body, order this crime to cease.

    Is it now somehow racist to say that violent invasion and illegal occupation are wrong and need to be righted?
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Vince,

    The British authorities haven't considered it because Ethelred the Unready or who did whatever you are mindlessly obsessed about a million years ago wasn't subject to any current standards of civilisation. An occupation cannot be illegal if there was no law in place regarding invasions/occupations at the time.

    Your anti-British stance is nothing other than racist.

    All I can assume is that some imbecile has hijacked vince's login. When his posts started they were considered, socially concerned and Christian. Recently they have been idiotic and racist. Come back the real vince all is forgiven.
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    GaryLondon,

    I was attempting to draw attention to the context of the EU in relation to the six goals in a way which places most people at odds with them. There is no way that the events I have highlighted here are fair or legal, and yet righting the wrong seems ridiculous. There is a very serious message at the bottom of that. The goals cannot be seen as goals, but as general directions or guidelines. That deals with the goal of law.

    To avoid littering the forum in an attempt to cause forum members to move against the other goals, here are examples of all of them not being widely supported at a citizen or an administrative level:

    Freedom - this is most pertinently related to the current restrictions upon freedom which have been applied to new member states.
    Peace - do not forget the EU member countries who are involved in war in Iraq and elsewhere - are such actions to be banned under the EU? And if someone attacks an EU country, are we to offer no resistance to retain peace?
    Prosperity - this has discussed elsewhere on this very forum, particularly in reference to social policy and the knock-on effects of methods to increase prosperity upon other communities
    Diversity - ask any member of an EU country if they would be happy to have 99% foreigners and 1% local people in their own town. That would be very diverse, and yet when it comes down to it, few of us want it. There are limits to even the most liberal of people.
    Solidarity - just for argument's sake, imagine a far-right government rises within one EU member country and starts militarizing with a view to invading neighboring non-EU countries. Will we show solidarity???