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    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    What do you think about following the American example and have the European anthem played at European Sports event such as the EuroCup, Champion's League etc. maybe in addition to the national ones or just once at the beginning/ending of each competition?
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Ridiculous... an artificial anthem, nice...

    The "anthem" is ok, during meetings, or celebrating important EU dates. But, again, people aren't attached to european "symbols". And creating artificial ones won't solve anything...
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    How is the European anthem more "artificial" than the Marseillaise?
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Gheryando,

    The Marseillaise is the "national" anthem of France, the Tricolore its "national" flag, the "coq" its "national" animal, etc

    The EU cannot have a "national" anthem, flag or animal because it is not a nation. These symbols only mimic national ones and so are artificial i.e. an artificial national anthem.

    Unless I can renounce my British citizenship and take up a European citizenship any European symbols are meaningless.
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Who says an anthem has to be "national"? How about a "supranational" anthem? My region also has an (unofficial) anthem so I already have two anyway..what would a third one do? You shouldn't have to renounce your British citizenship to take a European one because you already are European. Isn't that the beauty of Europe that we all are different somehow but also share something in common? The European anthem could symbolize these similarities while still leaving space for the individual national anthems
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Gheryando,

    The Champions League has an anthem, Intel has an "anthem". They don't mean anything.

    I didn't say an anthem has to be "national". What I said was a "national anthem" (like the Marseillaise) needs a nation.

    My passport says that I am a British citizen. No passport exists that says that I am a European citizen.
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Right, but what I am proposing does in no way contradict that. I am only suggesting playing the European anthem at special occasions outside the political sphere. The anthem is just another symbol, just like the flag. People, however, use the European flag e.g. Ryder Cup to express their allegiance. Why not incorporate more European symbols into people's daily life?
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Gheryando,

    The Ryder Cup team is from Europe, NOT the EU, so they really shouldn't use the EU flag but they do as it is a "logo" that people understand to mean "something to do with Europe, but I'm not sure what".

    The Institute of Directors has a flag, the BBC has a flag, BP has a flag, everybody has a flag. These flags mean as much to people as the EU flag does, basically nothing, a fluttering logo and that is all.

    The German presidency of the EU does away with the EU flag and uses the German national flag in its logo instead (http://www.eu2007.de).

    Most EU symbols are empty. The flag mimics a national flag but it isn't a national flag. The only true EU symbol that means anything is the € symbol (to type the Euro symbol on my computer, i.e. UK keyboard layout, I need to hold down CTRL+ALT+4, to get £ I do SHIFT+3, to get $ I do SHIFT+4 so even USD is easier to type then Euro). The € has a meaning.
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    "The Institute of Directors has a flag, the BBC has a flag, BP has a flag, everybody has a flag. These flags mean as much to people as the EU flag does, basically nothing, a fluttering logo and that is all." It only means as much to you as you let it. To me, the EU flag means much more than the BBC or BP flag. It stands for the EU and its success. It stands for solidarity and everything else. You mentioned the Euro..the Euro also has the flag. You are right by saying most symbols don't mean anything. That is why we need to incorporate them more and sell the EU story better to EU citizens.
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    Gheryando:

    the thing is: a symbol must mean something to people.

    For example, the Portuguese National Anthem ("A Portuguesa") wasn't written to be our anthem. It was a music written by two popular poets and composers, as a patriotic response to the British Ultimatum in 1890 (which humiliated Portugal at the time), and became so popular that was adopted by Republicans in the Republican Implantation in 1910, as national anthem.

    So, our anthem means something really special, as The Marseillaise or like most of national anthems.

    What does the "anthem" of EU means...? The celebration of the Rome Treaty? Ok. That's something special indeed (for me). But I think most of europeans don't even know what was the Rome Treaty...
    To impose this anthem in all events in Europe doesn't make sense. To celebrate EU important dates, that's ok.
    • CommentAuthoradmin
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2008
     
    A symbol only means something to people if they can associate it with something. If we dont start associating the EU with our daily lives then these symbols will never have a meaning. The anthem, flag etc stand for what the EU stands for and that is something more grand and splendid than any, with all due respect, poem that is based on national rivalry or an anthem like the Marseillaise that speaks about batallions and blood and enemies etc. Europe is an idea and the EU could be used to make this idea happen. It is a greater idea than any of our individual nation states claim to represent and its symbols deserve more credit than just using them on money bills.